SneilNiall Larkin blogged the other day about Paul Graham (he of Viaweb and Y Combinator fame) and his somewhat contentious remarks that if you’re serious about your startup you should move to Silicon Valley. You can read Paul Graham’s original post here and his follow-up here but essentially his point was that investors on the west coast of the U.S. are much more aggressive and less risk-averse than their east-coast counterparts. You’re more likely to get funded early if you go west young (wo)man!

There were some interesting comments on Niall’s post1 not least of which was one about the barrier to entry for startups being a lot lower these days, especially if you’re in a web business, thereby reducing the need for early stage funding. Despite this being true, you will still eventually need an injection of cash at some stage if you really want to grow the business. My comment stated that in my limited experience it is really hard to get any kind of serious funding here unless you are independently wealthy yourself, know someone who is or don’t need the money in the first place2.

Anyone who hasn’t had experience of them would think that Enterprise Ireland are probably a good bet to get funding. However if you think that then the story of the Collison brothers who started Auctomatic and then tried to get funding from EI is eye-opening. It’s a really great idea and, like most great ideas, really simple. Sure they were young, inexperienced and just out of school with no corporate background but they were smart. Here’s a brief snippet of Patrick Collison’s bio from the Auctomatic website:

When he was just 15 he wrote his own programming language which won him Irish Young Scientist of the Year and runner up European Young Scientist of the Year. [..] Patrick gained admission to MIT aged just 17 but decided to move on so he can could [sic] dedicate himself to redefining selling online.

Smart guy eh?

EI turned them down.

Fair enough. They must have seen something they didn’t like.

Having been turned down by EI, the Collison brothers approached Y Combinator. By co-incidence Y Combinator were also talking to two guys in the UK who had a similar idea. They brought them together, brought them to the west coast and they have now raised something in the region of $400k in funding from multiple sources3. The product is looking good and has potential to make some serious money. Oops… looks like EI missed the boat on that one!

It strikes me that if Enterprise Ireland is supposed to be encouraging Irish businesses it should be prepared to take a risk with relatively small amounts of money4 to encourage just these types of startups. Age or lack of a corporate background should never be an issue. I’m not necessarily suggesting it was in this case but if it was it was very shortsighted. If this post, part of a recent debate on the age profile of tech entrepreneurs, is anything to go by, basing funding decisions on age and experience of the founders could easily make EI look a bit like the record company that turned down The Beatles because guitar bands were out.

According to this posting by Damien Mulley today it seems that EI are going one step further though and they are now more than happy to give money to a VC firm that is investing it in UK-based companies.

It seems that despite their name Enterprise Ireland are interested in neither.

– Fintan


1 – Niall had some WordPress problems and lost the post. He managed to get it back but had to attach the comments directly onto the end of the post.
2 – And can get an introduction to a VC. They don’t take cold calls.
3 – There’s a great interview with the Patrick and John Collison from a Limerick OCC in August here talking about Auctomatic and the whole experience of getting up and running.
4 – Y Combinator is an angel fund whose deals are typically in the region of $5k with an additional $5k per founder for around 6% of the company.



9 Responses to “Unenterprising Ireland”  

  1. Patrick or John might come on here anyways, but as far as I was aware Auctomatic didn’t get turned down, Auctomatic decided not to play the EI red tape game.

  2. Oops, I stand corrected and feel a bit silly now. I was basing my comment about them being turned down from something I read in the Sunday Business Post a few months ago but I couldn’t find the original article in my files (i.e. the pile of stuff in a box in my study).

  3. What Damien says is right; EI never actually turned us down. We got sick of the effort required to get anywhere with EI, and also realized that the deals they offered to those they funded are very poor. YC are a far better deal.

  4. Hi Patrick,

    Thanks for the comment and the clarification. I guess what that means is that while I got a key piece wrong, the general substance is probably correct in that EI are far too conservative.

    Cheers

    Fintan

  5. EI are right to be conservative. Their core competency is in traditional industries. Think Combilift Forklift rather than Statcounter or Auctomatic. They probably have never used Ebay or know what Web Analytics are and why they are important. On the other hand, if they dont start bringing this expertise in house the ship will sail without them.

    On another note, are those number right for Y Combinator? the $5k + $5k per founder for 6%?

    ian

  6. Ian: YC’s valuations vary, but I think that’s close to the mark. The $5k + (n * $5k) is correct.

  7. Hi Ian,

    Thanks for the comment. I’m not sure about EI’s focus but I do agree that their heritage is very much back in the manufacturing era rather than tech and other new industries. My own experience of them from working in a startup was that we put a lot of effort into talking to them about getting funding, meeting them here, meeting them at CeBit in Germany etc. etc. This went on for ages and we eventually walked away because we were getting nowhere.

    The numbers for YC are based on this link: http://www.techcrunch.com/tag/auctomatic/

    Cheers

    Fintan

  8. Hi Fintan,

    I main thrust of what I took from the Paul Graham piece was that the advantage of silicon valley is simply the higher concentration of people obsessed with tech and business startups ( as opposed to the availability of cash)

    Also, there was a bit of news there last week that colours the discussion a little more. Walter Higgins/sxoop/pixenate had one of the first (if not the first?) online photo editors positioned for the usage of the Flickr community. Pixenate had the presence in the flickr forums and Catherina Fake (co-founder of flickr) had used pixenate personally. Quite an achievement for a Cork-based company whatever way you look at it. Great product/service/positioning and timing. Yet yahoo/flickr did a deal with US-based picnik (one of the many johnny-come-lately companies) to provide their online photo editing service last week. From the discussion that followed it was clear that many of us felt a pang for Walter on hearing the news. And several began to reexamine the question of just how much ‘being there’ may be able to influence the outcomes for your business. I’m not saying that there is a clear conclusion. There are many examples of Irish companies becoming world-beaters from an Irish base. The truth is I would hate to see all Irish start ups begin to believe that they have to be over there in order to be at the races. I think that much opportunity would be lost if that attitude were to take hold. Ideally I would like to find a way to tap into and bring the two worlds together in a natural way. And again I think we can see auctomatic demonstrating that this can be done successfully.

  9. Hi Niall,

    Thanks for the comment!

    In my experience there’s an element of out-of-sight, out-of-mind with regards to SV. In a previous startup I worked in we were constantly having to fight against the fact that competing startups based in California were getter better funding and doing better deals than us. We (twice!) lost a real position of leadership in the field we were in because of it.

    There’s also the inevitable incestuous nature of any relatively small community. With their backgrounds it looks like the picnik guys are very well connected and if you’re well connected and, relatively speaking, live next door you’re more likely to get picked up.

    Anyone remember Glockenspiel? An Irish company who back in the day had one of the first commercial C++ compilers around and a good relationship with Microsoft to boot. I remember thinking back then that when MS brought out their own C++ compiler they would simply buy Glockenspiel to do it. Didn’t happen and Glockenspiel disappeared.

    Fintan


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